Bonus 2: Caller Episode

A chapter from Jane Marie’s forthcoming book. Preorder at jane-marie.com. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sarah Edmonson publicly left NXIVM, a life coaching MLM made famous by the HBO documentary, The Vow, in 2017 shortly after being branded with the founder's initials. Jane and Sarah sit down to discuss the fine line between coaching and culting. Sarah and her husband, Nippy Ames, host the podcast A Little Bit Culty. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Days after the debut of this season, Jessie Lee Ward, who was featured in episodes one and nine, passed away after a short battle with cancer. Jane reconnects with Erin Bies to discuss her former friend’s legacy and talks with Death Coach, Megan Carmichael, about what to make of death when you had a complicated relationship with the person who has passed on.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

To our surprise, the OG coach Jessie Lee Ward agrees to an interview. She seems surprised to find out that Jane is not a fan of her work. It turns out that the feeling goes both ways. After ugly exchanges with Jessie Lee, Jane checks back in with her coach and with Dann. Has Jane actually improved as a person? Is she better or worse after six months of self-improvement? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.