Chapter 5: The Governor

Aaron, is an intellectual, kind and ambitious man, and we chat to him as he prepares for what he hopes is the last leg of a life sentence. Aaron is reflective, philosophical and well-read and hopes to put his degree in social science to good use on his return to society. He dreams of doing a master's and being a lifelong learner who can do good in the world, and be who he was always meant to be. This is our final episode, and it is fitting that Aaron would lead us out of this series of Conversations on the Margins. Music in this podcast is performed by students at Wheatfield prison education centre.

In chapter 8, Lynn chats to Sarahjane McCreery from the Irish Penal Reform trust. Sarahjane gives us an insight and understanding of the efforts to improve human rights and standards for men and women in the prison system. This important conversation and reflection comes at a great time in the series because like Governor Eddie, Caron McCaffrey and the men you've heard from throughout the podcast, everyone is circling around the same issues, each coming at it from a different angle. We also hear from Jamie and Joe in this chapter who give us further insight into life in the prison system from first hand experience. You will hear more music performed by students of the Wheatfield education centre.

In Chapter 7, Lynn chats to students of the Wheatfield Prison Education Centre about life, music, art and education. The school in Wheatfield is brimming with talent, creativity and learning. For lots of the men there, the first time they ever held a musical instrument or got to try different types of arts and crafts was in the prison system. This special episode highlights the importance of creativity and opportunity in life, and how it can be a tool for people to find and connect with their true selves. More than ever this chapter is jam packed full of music performed by the students of Wheatfield Prison Education Centre.

In Chapter 6, Lynn sits down with Caron McCaffrey, Director General of the Irish Prison Service and Stretch, Marty, Paul and Anto. This chapter asks us about forgiveness, what is it? Do we deserve it? And who has the right to ask for forgiveness. In these powerful conversations we learn about the effect judgement from society can have on a person's life after prison and how we need to better set up and support people after they leave. Marty, Paul and, Anto dissect the idea of forgiveness and how it is more impactful depending on who it comes from. As always, all the music you hear in this chapter is performed by men in the Wheatfield Prison Education Centre.

Niall has been in the prison system for a long time. In this conversation with Lynn he gives a profound account of his life journey that ultimately asks society the question; if he is taking responsibility for his crime, who is going to take responsibility for young men in communities like the one he came from? As ever, music heard in this podcast is performed by students in Wheatfield Prison Educational Centre.